OK, more details to follow shortly, but here's the basic rundown:

Golden Troll, October 29th, 30th & 31st October 2010, Hosted by CACK at CACKs usual venue in Chorley (hotel details to follow), and run in conjunction with Ribble Warriors:

Friday Evening:
Mangled Metal (15pts, 20 players)

Saturday:
Daytime: The Golden Troll Open (50pts, 40 players)
Evening: Mangled metal (15pts, 20 players)

Sunday:
The Golden Troll Hardcore (the top 20 ranked players from Saturday's Open qualify for entry into Sunday's Hardcore tourney).
Fast And Furious (the bottom 20 ranked players from Saturday's Open qualify for entry into Sunday's Fast And Furious tourney).

Mangled Metal:
15pts, 3 rounds.
> Players must bring 2 army lists.
> Warcasters/Warlocks may not be duplicated between lists.
> Epic Warcaster/Warlocks may not be taken (blame Mr. Loxam and his nasty eSkarre list ).
> Only Warcasters/Warlocks and Warjacks/Warbeasts are allowed.
> However, each player may include a single solo in ONE of their lists (to help make up any odd points) This does not extend to warcasters who come with attached solo's (Mortenebra, pGoreshade, Darius).
> Scoring:
-> Loss: 0TP's
-> Draw: 1TP's
-> Win (assassination or destroy all jacks/beasts): 2TP's
VP's will be used as the tie-break condition. Where both players have the same number of VP's the game is a draw. Inert Warjacks/wild Warbeasts are not counted for VP's purposes. They must be destroyed!

The Golden troll Open:
50pts, 4 rounds. Soft scores for Sportsmanship and fully painted army will feature.
> Players must bring 4 army lists.
> Each army list must be used once during the day.
> Warcasters/Warlocks may not be duplicated between lists (although Prime and Epic versions do not count as duplicates).
> Scoring:
-> Loss: 0TP's
-> Draw: 1TP's
-> Win by secondary condition (tie-breaker [AP's remaining]): 2TP's
-> Win by primary condition (assassination or scenario win): 3TP's

The Golden Troll Hardcore:
50pts*, 5 rounds.
Prizes for Overall Winner, Fastest Caster Kill, Most VP's won, and Best Army.
> Players may only bring 1 list.
> All games will use the Kill Box scenario.
> Timed Turns will be in use: 7 minutes per turn.
> Once per game a player may extend their turn to 10 minutes.
> Wins are scored by Assassination or Scenario win, there are no tie-breakers.
> Scoring:
-> Win: 1TP's
-> Loss/Draw: 0TP's

Fast And Furious:
20pts, 6 rounds.
> Players must bring 3 army lists of up to 20pts.
> Field allowances normally used by one warcaster are shared between your 3 lists (this also means that epic/none epic model variants cannot both be used).
> Each list must be used once before lunch, and once after lunch.
> Scoring:
-> Loss: 0TP's
-> Draw: 1TP's
-> Win by secondary condition (tie-breaker [AP's remaining]): 2TP's
-> Win by primary condition (assassination or scenario win): 3TP's

Entry Details:
Entry to each event is separate (players are welcome to enter the Open on Saturday without entering on Sunday, spare spaces created on Sunday as a result will be made available for players to enter the Fast And Furious event).

Entry into either of the Mangled Metal events is separate and open to anyone, be they attending the Open or not (20 players is a guideline, and this number can be increased based upon demand)

There will be a discount for players entering all 4 events (2x Mangled Metal, Golden Troll Open, and whichever Sunday event they qualify for).

Example:
40 players enter the Open on Saturday, but only 30 of those enter for Sunday as well.
10 spaces will be made available for Fast And Furious on Sunday.
Of the 30 players who have entered both days, the top 20 will go through to Hardcore on Sunday.

*50pts is the ideal, but please, before I open ticket sales and publish rulespacks give me your feedback on this. Hardcore is a new concept over here, so would you prefer 35, 40 or 50pts with 7 min turns
Bear in mind that to get into this you need to go balls out on the Saturday to finish top half, so I suspect the Hardcore event will be quite competetive and filled with seasoned players.

Entry Fee's:
Mangled Metal: £10 (each)
Saturday Open: £15
Sunday comps: £15

If you wish to enter all 4 events the discounted price will be £40 all inclusive.

On Friday and Saturday night there will be plenty of tables available for pick up games as well, of anything you fancy really, and hopefully we'll have a few participation/demo games going on as well.

Entry fee's include lunch on both Saturday and Sunday and a buffet dinner on Saturday night. And obviously the bar will be open throughout.

Prizes for each event will be as substantial as we can manage. This is a non-profit-making event and the more entries we get the better the prize fund will be.



During the course of the event we will be selling the much coveted and and surprisingly common Golden Troll Dice for £1 each in an amazingly limited range of colours.
There will be charity dice roll off's on both Saturday and Sunday for some shockingly shoddy prizes, which will be donated by our as yet unsupecting sponsors.
All proceeds from dice sales will go to Leukaemia Reasearch in memory of our good freind Jon Kay, as will all proceeds from the event as a whole.





Who's interested

So, say i wanted to take Retribution or Mercs, which warcasters could i take in the MM tournament?

If i enter all of the tournaments, do i need to use the same faction for every one? (that could potentially help with the Merc/Retribution issue).

Potentially interested, i'll give you a definite soon mate.

Yes.

Now all I need to do is work out a way to get back from the bl*sted "K" exhibition in Dussledorf in time.

Oh, and paint another 100 points of Khador....

You're on the verge of breaking me J...

I'd comment on the hardcore, but since my chances of qualifying are practically nil I don't think I need to worry...

Sign me up Scotty!

it might be anal retentive of me to point out that none of those casters are prime casters, prime casters would be casters in the first WM book (ie. The prime book)

I presume by saying only prime casters allowed you mean non-epic casters? It would probably be better saying that.

Prime, non-epic, what's the differance
Is there one

The better way to say it would be ''No epic casters in Mangled Metal''.

You know what I mean, you are just being bottoms
Stop it, nasty people

The 4 lists for day one is under review as well. Until I publish the rulespack and open ticket sales I'm happy to listen to feedback guys

No need to use the same faction in different events as each one stands alone, so it's players choice.

I think there is some missunderstand here, Prime = Prime Rule Book, not "p" casters ... like pButcher, wich stands for "plain" ...

Therefore I think when you said Prime people assumed you meant Prime Book (or Primal for Hordes), so using Khador as an example, it would have been pSorscha, pButcher, and pVlad only ...

I assume by JTY's 2nd responce, he means "Plain" ... hence the original confussion.

Bah, you're all too easily confused, that's your problem

I've edited it now so there.



Anyway, onwards and upwards, anymore input, on game sizes and whatnot please, rather than on semantics.

As I said by PM, I'm happy to help out or play dependant on how the number pan out.

My preference with regards to hardcore would be for 35 point games. 50 would be fine, I'd just want 35s instead.

I'll be the fool to test out the fool proof plan....

Mangled metal - 2 beast/jack lists using different caster/locks from same faction. One of the lists may include a solo.

Open Comp - 4 lists using 4 different caster/locks from same faction. Each list has to be used once.

Fast & Furious - 3 lists using 3 different caster/locks from same faction. However all 3 lists can only use the field allowance of a single caster. So Khador lists can only have 2 Manhunters between the 3 lists. Character units like Yuri, Beast 09, or the Great Bears can only appear in one list. All 3 lists have to be used twice, once before lunch, and once after lunch.

Hardcore - (not that I'll qualify for this) play ever game with the same list. Does this have to be one of the lists you used to qualify? Does it have to be the same faction you used to qualify?


Faction choice can change between the 4 different comps but not between the lists in each individual comp.

So that means I could qualify for the Hardcore using Retribution on Saturday, but actually use Khador in the Hardcore comp? Or do you want to keep the same faction for people who qualify for Hardcore? Guess I just asked that above.

Can tiered lists be used, in any of the comps, assuming you meet the list selection limitations?

I could very easily be remembering incorrectly here....but in mk1 hardcore had two times depending on the size of the game. 7mins per turn for 500pt games and 12mins per turn for 750pt games. If that was the case, would 7mins be more suited for 35pts and 12mins for 50pts?

Golden Troll usually has a Best painted award voted for by the players. Is there going to be one at GT2010, if there is will there be....
- one for each comp?
- or an overall one voted for on Saturday form the 50pt lists?
- or two on Sunday, one for the 50pt Hardcore players, and one for the 20pt Fast & Furious players?

Same question for Best Sport as well?

i'd deffantly like to see 35 for the hardcore as well. theres been no big 35 point events so far this year and in my opion its a diffrent enough formate to warrant it.

also i think it should be 3 lists for the 50 but still have the clause each list must be played at least once.

damn you rich ruining my e skarre fun

Bah, wrong weekend for me, the American Footy is on at Wembley that weekend !

Max

Although I'll not be making an appearance....as it's the girlfriend's birthday celebrations.....(nor am I good enough to make it into the top tier anyway), I'd also favour 35pts for the Hardcore element. More than enough models to make each timed turn challenging.

No eSkarre or eHaley, god I will have to play the game for once!

I like this setup, unique tournament and always superbly run. Pretty damn sure I will be attending this, just had a few Qs that I popped to JTY

Right, to answer a few questions:

In MKi Hardcore was always 750pts and 7 min turns, 1 hour games.
In MKii it's new, but the guidelines for it are given in the SR2010 appendix.

The idea of hardcore timings is that it use the recomended timings for an event two points bands lower (from the appendix):



Other than that, Hardcore does mean fully painted, and it does mean you play for the assassination.
For MKii they've introduced the Kill Box scenario, a clock extension, and the oh-so-tiresome SR tie-breakers.
From paying attention to the PP forums, I've shortened the time extension (from 5 mins to 3 mins), and removed the tie-breakers as it isn't very hardcore to be playing for a secondary win.
VP's will be used as a tie-breaker to split the final standings, and there will be a prize for the player who scores the most VP's during the course of the day.

Nice and simple.

So, I'm perfectly happy to drop it to 35pts and keep the 7 min turns. This is afterall a new concept over here.
But I'd prefer it to be 50pts.
Besides, you have to qualify to get in, which means you have to do good on Saturday, so I'm sure there are a great many of you reading this who are up for the challenge and capable of building a sleek 50pts list that can play fast.



Beyond that, I may yet make the Open on Saturday 35pts, to have an earlier finish in the evening, giving people a worthwhile length of freetime before the buffet and the start of the Mangled Metal, without making the games too short.
And I may make the Fast and Furious 15pts (anything allowed, no restrictions) so that games can be played out in 45 mins and to make that end at about the same time as the Hardcore (plan is to be done by 5:30/6:00pm so you can all get away home).

Saturday nights Mangled Metal could become 25pts no problem.

Comments please ladies and gentlemen?



Painting:
There will be a bonus TP score for having a fully painted army in the Open.
Otherwise, the only event that will require a fully painted army is the Hardcore. Mangled Metal's and the Open will not demand armies be fully painted (but you will drop a couple of points in the Open for not being, not a huge amount, but maybe the differance between a podium spot and an also-ran).

The Open and Fast And Furious will both feature a best painted award as voted by the players.
The Hardcore will feature a Master Crafted award as judged by myself (I'm not playing) and a couple of other willing volunteers.



Sportsmanship, well, there will be sportsmanship scoring in the Open and a small prize for most sporting player in that.

I'd be for keeping the Fast and Furious rounds to 20 points but then thats because I invented the idea so I'm allowed to have bias...

20pts in 45 mins though Jaime
Or drop a round...

Nothing is easy.

Oh, and themed tiers will be welcome, and players can chop and change factions between events as they choose.

Can you pencil me in for this one please

Im up for this one. Hopefully have my Khador painted by then

Add me for all 4 events pls JT

Ill need to get cracking on my Khador then Gerry Nearly moved all my painting stuff into the outlaws. Going to hang back on taking to many commission and start going full pelt on the Khador settled on a creme/white/red theme like the beast 09 artwork. Should be nice and bright

Ben

thought you were going for flourescent pink Khador

Hehe nope that's cryxs only. I'm in two minds what to paint for a best painted army ATM I'm leaning towards trolls but thinking cryx with lots of battle damage and pink any thing anyone could suggest for a list which would show off painting yet remain semi competitive

Is nobody else worried about the 4 different casters being the main event?

As a newish player, I feel it would severely limit my play skill. I am struggling to learn the ins and outs of 1 caster well. Seems a strange choice that will actually lower play skill at an event. Also imagine being 100% heading into last round and then having a silly match up ruin the final. 3 lists in 4 rounds, 4 in 5 makes some sense to me but not much.

To learn 4! gulp Especially as in my faction the caster drastically changes the force. Cryx I imagine will love this format, Legion not so much.

I would love to attend but that sentence of '4 different casters' is a little scary as I too have only a month experience...

Looking forward to it already...

Hi,

Can you put me down for for all 4 events please?

Cheers

Mark

I'll aim to make rules and entry packs avaliable for the 19th of July.

Based on the feedback so far I'll repost a synopsis of the rulespacks early next week. The feedback is helpful so please keep it coming.

Unfortunately I won't be holding any spaces in reserve for this one guys. I need to have confirmed Saturday Open numbers and to know how many of those players are returning to play on Sunday. That way spare spaces for Sunday can be made avaliable when Saturday is fully booked.
If that makes sense. I know what I mean. Keep up.

The ongoing task right now is compiling a list of local hotels/B&B's and contacting them to see if I can wangle a discount.


edit: Oh, and please be warned in advance; the big carpark right outside the venue, that is free after 6:00pm and all day Sunday, is a SHORT STAY ONLY carpark on Saturday, meaning players will have to park farther away and walk up.
I'll supply a map, don't fret.
I only mention this beacuse last time we ran GT over two days someone got a ticket. A local who lives in Chorley who should have known better mark you, but still and all.

JT,

I'm def interested in this one, looks like a great format. My vote re the hardcore goes for 35pts..... not sure i'm quite ready for 7mins/50pts yet !!

Why you hurt my brain so much Mr T-Y.

On the 17th July I have to send you my army lists for Toy Soldier, and then on the 19th I have to remember to get this rules pack and enter.

All this whilst painting said army for Toy Soldier.

You just being smug because you've finished your painting and so don't need to be able to think of two things in a short period of time...

Have pity on those of us who represent the "slow of thought" end of the wargaming community...

Don't think I can get permission for the Friday night, apparently flying straight to a tournament from a trade fair in Germany, where I won't have slept - or seen my wife for three days, is a step too far for my "health" (or so my wife tells me).
I'll be up for everything else over the weekend though.

And the Golden Troll Open should be 4x 50 point armies. I'm enough of a masochist to find the prospect of building and painting a completely new 50 point army, along with 50 points of additions to two of my other armies, to be a good thing.

55 points of new build and paint stuff just isn't enough pressure...

No, ah, ah, see, no I haven't finished my painting for TS
I'm furiously trying to finish the Great Bears by tomorrow ready for the ETC.

THEN I'll have finished my painting for TS

Number of lists notwithstanding, the Open will be 35pts now. It is the only way I can accomodate the timings safely, otherwise it won't be finished util 7:00-ish, which isn't good for people who are stopping in a hotel. Finishing at 5:30-ish is better, gives people time to go and have a proper break before coming back for the Mangled Metal in the evening.

Hardcore will be 50pts 7 min turns.
Get practicing guys.