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2018 Points Discussion

Postby Jonny65 » Fri Aug 18, 2017 10:55 am

How many points should armies be next year? This is something we'll definitely need to vote on so give your opinions in this thread so we can better structure the vote. We might as well give points for each period in case we decide to switch from EW.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Mongol » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:05 am

How about, v4, Early War, 1650 points?
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Arkon » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:30 pm

Sounds good to me
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Monty » Fri Aug 18, 2017 12:59 pm

Because Heavy tanks like CharB, Mathildas or T35/KV will rule the battlefields in V4 EW, we should go for maximum 1500 pts (for me, 1450 pts should work).

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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Tito » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:20 pm

Less points means less monsters but also less anti-mosters weapons.
For me the range should be 1550-1650.
1650 sounds good!
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Reksio » Fri Aug 18, 2017 1:52 pm

1650 would work for me. Big monsters are not THAT scary. You just have to make sure you get the right tools to deal with them.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Dave A » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:08 pm

1200

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OK maybe a bit more, but lower rather than higher.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby DaveM » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:27 pm

Less is more!! Not keen on any more than 1550. I'd have reservations about turning up at all if the points level was raised from Prague, too many Matilda's, KV's and T34's......borefest...
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Dirkhrod » Fri Aug 18, 2017 11:00 pm

1550 - 1650
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby tarnowski1 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:31 am

voting range 1500 to 1650

personally 1550 feels right to me.

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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Yegr » Sat Aug 19, 2017 2:52 pm

Stuff moves and dies quicker in V4,
We have 3-3,5hr games.

I'd go for the top of the limit we were discussing 1650
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Trick08 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:57 pm

Maybe lets see how the votes goes and then worry about the points:-)

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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby pizzaguardian » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:09 am

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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Doktor Helge » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:52 pm

1650 point seems good
V.4 Can be very fast Phased
So you get to kill more stuff in 3,5 hours with 1650 points

Btw infantry seems to have the edge in V.4
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Tenente Paco » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:04 am

Let's play with 1575pts! :wink:
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby graham » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:31 pm

Team England would prefer 1550 pts (assuming that it will be EW).
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Frogdog » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:19 pm

Team Ireland would prefer 1650 points, given that things die quickly in V4 (assuming V4 EW wins the vote).
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Rugi » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:25 pm

DaveM wrote:Less is more!! Not keen on any more than 1550. I'd have reservations about turning up at all if the points level was raised from Prague, too many Matilda's, KV's and T34's......borefest...


Medium and heavy artillery of EW is so expensive that almost no one took it to Prague anyway and there were still no heavy tank spam lists. And tanks by themselves have a lot harder time dealing with infantry in V4.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby lindsayb » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:14 pm

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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby sovietpride » Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:25 am

Since V4 is apparently so fast and bloody, in EW most assets are expensive and with the new victory conditions is hard that most games will last more than 6 turns... the only way forward is playing at 2000 points or more.

If we play at around 1600 points, two hours will be enough time per round. Therefore Im sure we can squeeze 3 games per day and have 8 or 9 rounds in next year ETC.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Dave A » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:06 pm

There is a 1550 point EW tournament scheduled to be run mid-October in the UK. Marko is alos looking to run a trial tournament early October - don't know what points. I suggest we get those run, and any others that can be organised, to see how it plays out, then we will have more information on what points are viable in a tournament.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby TheMarko » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:20 am

We are declaring 1600 points tournament since it's the middle of the most favoured range, but if community decides on any other number for the next year's ETC by mid September, we'll do those points . . .
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Angelfred » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:47 pm

TheMarko wrote:We are declaring 1600 points tournament since it's the middle of the most favoured range, but if community decides on any other number for the next year's ETC by mid September, we'll do those points . . .


Euh... shouldn't it be a vote before deciding ?
It's an important question, so best of captains can cast a vote on it instead of voicing opinions ...
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby TheMarko » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:54 pm

Angelfred wrote:
TheMarko wrote:We are declaring 1600 points tournament since it's the middle of the most favoured range, but if community decides on any other number for the next year's ETC by mid September, we'll do those points . . .


Euh... shouldn't it be a vote before deciding ?
It's an important question, so best of captains can cast a vote on it instead of voicing opinions ...


Of course there will be a vote, but We can't really wait for that since he tournament is in a month or so. This is local tournament anyhow and it has no impact on ETC whatsoever . . .

Might it be that You took me out of context? I was writing after Dave's post . . . Sorry about that . . .
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Dave A » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:13 pm

TheMarko wrote:
Angelfred wrote:
TheMarko wrote:We are declaring 1600 points tournament since it's the middle of the most favoured range, but if community decides on any other number for the next year's ETC by mid September, we'll do those points . . .


Euh... shouldn't it be a vote before deciding ?
It's an important question, so best of captains can cast a vote on it instead of voicing opinions ...


Of course there will be a vote, but We can't really wait for that since he tournament is in a month or so. This is local tournament anyhow and it has no impact on ETC whatsoever . . .

Might it be that You took me out of context? I was writing after Dave's post . . . Sorry about that . . .

Sorry Marko - I took your post here as an indication that you were running it as a trial for the ETC next year - my misunderstanding.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby TheMarko » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:31 am

Dave A wrote:
TheMarko wrote:
Angelfred wrote:
Euh... shouldn't it be a vote before deciding ?
It's an important question, so best of captains can cast a vote on it instead of voicing opinions ...


Of course there will be a vote, but We can't really wait for that since he tournament is in a month or so. This is local tournament anyhow and it has no impact on ETC whatsoever . . .

Might it be that You took me out of context? I was writing after Dave's post . . . Sorry about that . . .

Sorry Marko - I took your post here as an indication that you were running it as a trial for the ETC next year - my misunderstanding.


It is not misunderstanding, we DO want to make it an ETC trial. We will obey whatever captains vote for in the current version/period vote, but we expect it to be V4 EW and in absence of defined points, decided to go for 1600 . . . Simple as that . . . I think that Angelfred thought I was declaring something in direct reference to next year's ETC points, which I was not . . .
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Angelfred » Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:46 am

@ TheMarko : yes indeed ;)
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby graham » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:15 pm

Right, let's get this moving again. We now know it is v4 and EW. Earlier in this thread there has been support for points from 1500 to 1650.

I suggest that we vote on four options: 1500, 1550, 1600, 1650. Each team to have a first and second preference vote.

Would that be a good way forward?
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby sovietpride » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:14 pm

Voting only options from 1500 to 1650 seems a bit superfluous, since all «options» are basically equal.

I really dont understand, why this rush to decide about the point format now.

EW V4 is actually a WIP with major rules being changed by BF... not counting on the propossalls of the ETC committe.

How are we ment to vote on the point level of the ETC if we dont even know the rules we are going to apply and not even the actual point cost of the units we are going to play?

A vote without the relevant information is similar to rolling a die.
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Re: 2018 Points Discussion

Postby Dave A » Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:47 pm

sovietpride wrote:Voting only options from 1500 to 1650 seems a bit superfluous, since all «options» are basically equal.

I really dont understand, why this rush to decide about the point format now.

EW V4 is actually a WIP with major rules being changed by BF... not counting on the propossalls of the ETC committe.

How are we ment to vote on the point level of the ETC if we dont even know the rules we are going to apply and not even the actual point cost of the units we are going to play?

A vote without the relevant information is similar to rolling a die.


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We need to know more about the types of armies we will need than the exact size now. We need torunament experience to determine size. Exact points is probably the last thing that needs to be nailed down. Adjusting 2-300 points either way with 3-4 months to go should not be a major issue for most players?

I support Graham's keenness to remove doubt, but don't think points should be decided until we know more. It is the least important variable of the major ones we need to sort - in no particular order:

1. Army selection restrictions -= types and nationalities.
2. Rules (including changes from BF).
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