Just a though here …
The only think there is to win in ETC is RESPECT.
Kicking everybody’s asses and not being clapped by the audience in the end is far worse than coming last.
2 topics :
- Ireland’s Brazilian list
- Ireland/USA/Russia Peredovoye lists
@Frogdog : we may had discrepancies in the past, but I RESPECT A LOT your attitude. You had the courtesy to warm everybody about potentiality of having 2 US-like infantry with Arti-parks months before the event, and the technic is legal. You also had the courtesy to spot what wasn’t spotted : your first list doesn’t comply to this obscure PDF from the Brazilians almost nobody have and you have proposed a change to make your list legal. Much, much credits to you. To me, it’s a bonus on the “Best Sportmanship Trophy”. And of course no penalty !
@Teams Ireland/USA/Russia : As Madcat, I believe Phil’s answer is totally unsatisfactory. As always.
He doesn’t answer on the wording which Native speaking English persons states clearly indicate your Peredovoye can’t be built this way.
It’s Phil’s answer : for those of you who know Team Yankee, it’s amazing how Phil can change his own rules…
Besides, if you think Phil’s answer states in favor of the “no identical tanks approach”, it can only but give other Teams grieves : should we know before-hand Phil’s answer, then yes, we (general we) may either have considered more deeply the Peredovoye, and the Teams fielding the Peredovoye may have field it differently.
It’s the problem when someone is changing the rules in the middle of the game or when not everybody believe playing with the same rules.
As always, Phil’s answer is very poor and leave people unhappy.
To be technical, some can also argue that Phil’s answer can’t be accepted : don’t we have a limit date for FAQ and rules questions ?
But never mind, you read the comments, you have Phil’s answer, and you have ETC’s judges decision.
The fact that some may not like it is irrelevant.
Personal opinion (and not necessary all Team France’s opinion) :
1. I didn’t think it wasn’t possible to do it your way
2. If I get paired up against your PO list, it’s not this factor that will determine winner/loser
3. There will never be a “good” answer to the situation here.
So you basically can stay with your lists as they are. You are in your right.
I know full well how complicated it is to train with a list for months, and all the sudden, having to change it 4 weeks before the event.
Also, if someone tells me to change my list and change it for me, I would be utterly pissed off.
I find Tony’s approach very gentleman : if the issue is the 2 Tanks platoons not being identical, then asking to modify, for the same amount of points, the two platoons, is, to me, very fine.
It doesn’t modify the economy of the list, its strategy, its balance.
You still keep the initiative on how your list is changed, and no one is forcing your hand.
It make it clear and clean, and without subject to discussion.
True gentleman approach.
Again, the only think there is to win in ETC is RESPECT.
Personally, I would be very, very, very sad if my opponent thinks I’ve beaten him with something he is considering as illegal : where is the respect here ?
Pizzaguardian had given extra days for verifying the lists.
It is my opinion you guys have two options, which are totally up to you :
- either stick with your PO list
- or modify it the “Tony’s way” so there is nobody left unhappy.
Whatever you choose, the rest of us will comply because we have ETC’s judges statement.
It’s just questions of “how would we like our opponent to think of us ?” and “do we believe we are clean and above reproaches ?”.
I sincerely don’t have the answers to these, it’s your opinion and yours only.
Again, whatever your choice, it shall be respected.
Respect works both way, so if you are fine with the answers and change nothing, then let’s be fine with it and respect your choice.
Can’t wait to see you all again in 4 weeks !
Cheers from France,
Team France ETC FoW 2012/2013/2014/2015/2017