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Returning - Need help with painting

Postby krull1235 » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:17 pm

Hi

I'm returning to modelling/painting/gaming

The last thing I painted was a zoat for a wood elf army. < it was that long ago

The thing is, all you needed then was chaos black undercoat and paint.
Flock if you were posh.

But now I'm totally lost.

I reading paints for Vallejo are the best not citadel.
Only airbrush I should get is the patriot.

Can someone please advise on the best starter options.

Thanks.

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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby Chris S » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:59 am

OK, will my best on this one.

Undercoats come in a variety of colours these days, I use white if I want my mini to be a bit more brightly colored, I use grey for a mid tone primer, and black not very often, this can be hard to answer because different people like to do undercoating/priming in the colour of their preference.

On the basing side, this also can be a personal preference, I use all the different things sold by a few different model suppliers online.

I use mainly Vallejo paints and varnished, I buy Vallejo from here, sorry do not know where you are in the world - http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/

Paints again can be a personal thing I use mostly Vallejo, mostly Games Workshop washes but I have other make washes, I have a few Cote D'arms paints and some Foundry.

Foundry do some nice paints sets with brushes - http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/paints/f ... ng-system/

Some site links they may assist you to buy.

Armypainter - www.snmstuff.co.uk they have painting guides online also, brushes, paints everything you need infact.

Games Workshop, goes without saying - http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Hom ... d=18253795

Bases & Basing Materials - http://www.modeldisplayproducts.com/

Brushes, again a personal thing I use brushes from here - http://www.rosemaryandco.com/

A very good basing material site - http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/ Seems to not avaialble at the moment cannot see as this site has gone it it pretty big and comprehensive for basing materials.

I could go on and on but those should assist you.

Hope this of some help.
I must learn to add that last extra highlight to make my
models stand out more.

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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby krull1235 » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:15 pm

Thanks Chris.

Thanks for the links not had a good chance to go through them.

I did notice this one
http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/vallejo-game- ... ation-set/
Been planning on getting this to start with anyway.
But this is the cheapest i've seen it.

Do you have a preference on Air Brushes.

Is the Patriot 105 the best?
Or is there cheaper UK versions

ps i'm from Newcastle UK

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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby AndyONeill » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:06 pm

The iwata neo is pretty good.
A lot of people have high expectations for airbrushes.
You'll probably be using it for undercoating and maybe painting very large figures or vehicles.
You might eventually expand that a bit but start off thinking that's what they're good for.
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Vallejo, foundry and p3 are all good paints.
Artists paints are also and if you are prepared to learn to mix you can save a bunch of money.
You can actually get books explain what colours you get when you mix.
Although artist paints come in tubes usually you can buy empty miniature paint pots cheap.

Good artist paints include:
Liquitex soft bodied
Atelier interactive ( google these and read up on them ).
Jo Sonja

Metallics are a tricky kind of subject and GW metallic aren't as good as they used to be IMO.
I'm (reliably) told the best acrylics are Scale 75.

Cheap craft acrylics are fine for basing and whatnot.
When I undercoat by brush I mostly use a mix of Black or white gesso and craft acrylic.
Gesso needs to be left overnight to cure properly.
If I wasn't oversensitive to the thinners I'd probably use matte black humbrol enamel.
Enamel is tougher than acrylic and it attaches itself to plastic better.

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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby Chris Appleford » Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:28 pm

If you are just starting out again, I wouldn't advise getting an airbrush and a £150 box of paints right away.

Get a starter set of paint that includes at least: black, white, red, yellow, blue/tan, beige, silver, and get some brushes.

Start small, and work your way up.
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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby OldFogey » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:08 pm

What he said, though I would say choose whichever colours you need for the models you intend to paint. Start simple and move up if and when you think it necessary.

There's a sticky at the top of the cabinet with lots of discussion on paints, brushes, tips and tricks. Have a good read.

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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby Chris S » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:10 pm

krull1235 wrote:Thanks Chris.

Thanks for the links not had a good chance to go through them.

I did notice this one
http://www.snmstuff.co.uk/vallejo-game- ... ation-set/
Been planning on getting this to start with anyway.
But this is the cheapest i've seen it.

Do you have a preference on Air Brushes.

Is the Patriot 105 the best?
Or is there cheaper UK versions

ps i'm from Newcastle UK


I do not airbrush so cannot help with that.

I got that very paint set when I came back to painting several years ago.

But as had been said maybe start small and build you paint collection up as you go forward.
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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby Chris S » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:21 pm

AndyONeill wrote:I'm (reliably) told the best acrylics are Scale 75.


I wished you had not posted this, I went and looked at their paint sets and paints, now I want to spend some money :)
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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby AndyONeill » Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:47 am

Finer grain.
If you have Vallejo game colour already then I wouldn't rush to the shop.
Unless you're rich.

I thought I mentioned not getting a stack of paints in my post above but I don't see it.
Just buy a few paints.

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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby Chris S » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:57 am

AndyONeill wrote:Finer grain.
If you have Vallejo game colour already then I wouldn't rush to the shop.
Unless you're rich.

I thought I mentioned not getting a stack of paints in my post above but I don't see it.
Just buy a few paints.


Yes I have loads of Vallejo :)

Will take your advice on that, but then when you get an itch sometimes you just have to scratch it :)
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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby Chris Appleford » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:06 am

OldFogey wrote:...though I would say choose whichever colours you need for the models you intend to paint.
Yes, very good point. I tried to cover all the basics (and primary colours) assuming fantasy models, but if the OP is painting WWII tanks those colours would be mostly useless.
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Re: Returning - Need help with painting

Postby shep » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:56 am

http://www.blackhat.co.uk/online_shop/i ... 969ebdab05

I would recommend you get one of the Coat d' arms basic paint sets. Not too much money, give you a nice set of starting colours. They are very good paints to paint with, no idea about airbrushing though, and are an excellent place to start again and then move on once you have re-discovered your art.

They give you a nice set of paints that you can thin for use as washes, or blend to get different colours for shade, mid tones and highlights.

Once you have done that you can then move on to airbrushing/fine layering, etc, if you want to. But to get figures painted to a nice tabletop standard this is where you want to start.


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