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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Doomsday » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:53 pm

Team Italy: we accept penalty. Our fault to trust Army Builder and not triple check every lists. Sorry again.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Lagerlof » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:21 am

Doomsday wrote:Team Italy: we accept penalty. Our fault to trust Army Builder and not triple check every lists. Sorry again.
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No need to apologize :) Mistakes happen, accepting and moving on is the perfect response. Thank you!
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby mike newman » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:12 am

pizzaguardian wrote:General warning to everybody and especially Poland. BE POLITE.



I agree. Without wanting to sound too English. It really amazes me over the last few days how certain nations can treat the referees with so little respect.

There may be no consequences of it here. But there needs to be if this behaviour continues at the etc. It's not on.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby spellviewer » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:30 am

Team Russia accepts penalty, will be a lesson for us to recheck rosters more carefully, sorry for mistakes in list Т_Т
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Furion » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:43 am

Bazzu wrote:Since you gently offered us your lists i will offer you our HE list that is if the captains agree.

Bazzu! Finally! You managed to put this stiff planck out of buttcheeks and put a little humour to the world. Keep it up!


KeyserSoze wrote:If captains have objections on any decision taken, or wish to further discuss them, feel free to contact me or answer below.
(...)
I'm not going to make any exceptions to any case.

Why are you wasting people's time then? :shock:
In that case just clarify how is the penalty applied. Contrary to what lovely Mike believes, in last years it was the case to apply penalties to 960 points. So I genuinely don't know.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:04 am

Well, you understand the game better than me, so it shouldn't be hard for you to figure out. 8-[
And I'm not wasting anyone's time, as you can see, I'm here leaving nothing unanswered. But being available for Q&A does not mean I will change original decisions due to irrational complains and offensive behaviours.
My 2 quotes are irrelevant to each other.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:05 am

spellviewer wrote:Team Russia accepts penalty, will be a lesson for us to recheck rosters more carefully, sorry for mistakes in list Т_Т


Thank you.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Furion » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:11 am

Some people find offense wherever they wish to see it.
Just clarify how the penalty is applied. From what I read in tournament pack, it seems to indicate that "battle point" are 960 point but its not clear. It may well be the other way around.

If the decision is made then there is nothing to do but to accept it. I was mislead into believing that this is a case study.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Cauliflower » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:41 am

Hi guys!

I understand some emotions in this thread, but further discussion makes no sense.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Lagerlof » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:38 am

The points will be deducted from the teams final score at the end of the tournament. Otherwise they would serve no purpose
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby littlecow » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:55 am

Dear Judges, is there any updates regarding Team Ukraine corrected rosters which are published on the second page of this thread?

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:57 am

We are aware, and will let you know later tonight.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby theoden » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:51 pm

Dear Ukraine Team, (Mark Abarenko)

It seems that core points are 1112 which doesn't seem legal.

Can you check it please? Maybe i am making a mistake.

Thank you for your patience..:)

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Death Cult Hierarch: Evocation, 4 Learned Spells, Wizard Master, Soul Conduit, Army General, Hierophant, Book of the Dead, Sandstorm Cloak – 630
Tomb Architect: Ring of Fire – 210
Tomb Architect: Skull Splitter – 225
17 Skeleton Archers: C – 224
14 Skeleton Archers – 168
6x10 Skeleton Archers – 120
2x3 Tomb Cataphracts: Underground Ambush – 390
2x3 Tomb Reaper: Paired Weapons – 568
2x1 Charnel Catapult – 200
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby littlecow » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:27 pm

Hi!

We have failed legal roster submission :( Here is the updated roster. Would it be OK for you?

Mark Abarenko – Undying Dynasties
Death Cult Hierarch: Evocation, 4 Learned Spells, Wizard Master, Soul Conduit, Army General, Hierophant, Book of the Dead, Sandstorm Cloak – 630
Tomb Architect, Paired weapons, Ring of fire – 216
Tomb Architect, paired weapons – 166
17 Skeleton Archers: C, M – 244
15 Skeleton Archers M – 200
6x10 Skeleton Archers – 120
2x3 Tomb Cataphracts: Underground Ambush – 390
2x3 Tomb Reaper: Paired Weapons – 568
2x1 Charnel Catapult – 200
Total: 4492
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby AltF4 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:27 pm

Team Mexico's EoS list has an arcane engine without upgrade.

Since there is no default one, which one is it?

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Grayfox » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:45 pm

Thanks to KeyserSoze, I have this evening become aware of a few mistakes in Norway lists.

We forgot to list bows as hobgoblin equipment. Furthermore, we have done a mathemathical error, so both hobgoblin units cost 290, not 280. However, we have - and have always - used 290 to calculate total points of 4496. So it was only wrongly writing in the hobgoblin entry. This is the updated and correct list:

Team Norway
Lars Morten «Zuhlmatul» Thu - Infernal Dwarves
Overlord, General, shield, Onyx hammer, Dragon mantle, Spout of rebirth, Potion of swiftness - 536
Prophet, Wizard master, 4 spells, Hardened shield, Essence of a free mind, Ring of desiccation, Ring of fire, path of alchemy/pyromancy - 640
30x Citadel guard, M, C, S, Gleaming icon - 740
32x Hobgoblins, bows, M - 290
32x Hobgoblins, bows, M - 290
5x Hobgoblin wolf riders, Shields - 140
5x Hobgoblin wolf riders, Shields - 140
Infernal artillery, rocket battery - 190
Infernal artillery, rocket battery - 190
6x Kadim incarnates, C - 680
6x Kadim incarnates - 660
4496

We also forgot to write BSB on our OnG common goblin chief. But we have payed for it, and banner of dicipline on him should also indicate our intensions for him. Updated correctly list:

Team Norway
Karl-Erik "Kalerith" Hansen - Orcs and Goblins
Iron Orc Warlord, General, Waaargh! Boar chariot, Great weapon, paired weapons, Bluffer's helm, talisman of supreme shielding - 640
Forest Goblin Witch Doctor, 4 spells, wizard master, Book of Arcane power, Path of pyromancy - 460
Common Goblin Chief, BSB, shield, ring of fire, banner of dicipline - 205
20x Forest Goblins, skirmish, bows, S, Ironhide icon - 310
21x Feral Orcs, spears, M - 275
20x Feral Orcs, spears, M, S - 280
20x Feral Orcs, Spears, M - 260
Gnasher Wrecking Team - 140
Gnasher Wrecking Team - 140
1x Goblin Wolf Chariot - 120
1x Goblin Wolf Chariot - 120
1x Goblin Wolf Chariot - 120
10x Iron Orcs - 200
10x Iron Orcs - 200
10x Iron Orcs - 200
10x Iron Orcs - 200
Scrap Wagon - 90
Scrap Wagon - 90
Scrap Wagon - 90
Greenhide Catapult, Git launcher - 180
Greenhide Catapult, Git launcher - 180
4500

Sorry for not being able to produce 100% correct lists within the deadline. We will accept whatover penalty found suitable.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Superorko » Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:29 am

Hi i'm team mexico eos, do to an error we dont know why it wasn't written as the list i sent my captain :( it's an arcane shield(distracting one) to do the magic combo as rest of eos.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby mike newman » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:08 am

Nosfi wrote:Hi All!

Team Hungary made a little mistake. A wrong list copied at least - we are at hurry becuse of deadline. Can we make two obviously, and FREE Change?
In the OG list, the general is Cave goblin, not common goblin (exatly the same point), and the goblin hero on wolf had shield (it is a free chocie for a goblin little hero). I write it to Isik as soon as we realize, and he says that will be your kinldy decision.

If it help in the decision, we bring a lot of Pálinka...:)

Nosfi



Has this been addressed by the referees?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:54 am

No, just saw it and brought in the internal, thanks.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby kiri » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:37 pm

Is there an up to date version of the lists somewhere?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:51 pm

I'm on it, I'm really sorry for the delay but I'm a little alone in this ;-)

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:39 pm

Nosfi wrote:Hi All!

Team Hungary made a little mistake. A wrong list copied at least - we are at hurry becuse of deadline. Can we make two obviously, and FREE Change?
In the OG list, the general is Cave goblin, not common goblin (exatly the same point), and the goblin hero on wolf had shield (it is a free chocie for a goblin little hero). I write it to Isik as soon as we realize, and he says that will be your kinldy decision.

If it help in the decision, we bring a lot of Pálinka...:)

Nosfi


If the general is cave goblin, then the armour costs 16 points, which brings his total cost to 300, and total army cost >4500.
You'll have to remove Heavy Armour. This is a change to a list of course and will receive the same penalty as the rest of the teams.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Nosfi » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:57 pm

The change is free when the general will be in light armor (and the general will be in light armor). Sorry again.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Warpfodder » Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:18 pm

Hi guys

We have just realized our KoE list never specified spears or hand weapons on the peasant blocks, correct list should be


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Duke:General, humility, hardened shield, crown of autocracy, 290
Duke: humility 210
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3 x 59 Peasants, spears : FC 492
58 Peasants, spears : FC 484
2 x 10 Bowmen : M 160
2 x 5 Yeomen 110
2 x Sacred reliquary 260
2 x Treb 280

I apologize on behalf of my teammate, please advise if and what penalty is applicable.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby orion 76 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Warpfodder wrote:
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby KeyserSoze » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:21 pm

Warpfodder wrote:Hi guys

We have just realized our KoE list never specified spears or hand weapons on the peasant blocks, correct list should be


Denis Coffey - Kingdom of equitaine

Blessing of the King
Duke:General, humility, hardened shield, crown of autocracy, 290
Duke: humility 210
Damsel: wizard master, 4 spells, Shamanism, ring of fire 420
3 x 59 Peasants, spears : FC 492
58 Peasants, spears : FC 484
2 x 10 Bowmen : M 160
2 x 5 Yeomen 110
2 x Sacred reliquary 260
2 x Treb 280

I apologize on behalf of my teammate, please advise if and what penalty is applicable.

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your list is legal, and not mentioning hand weapons doesn't matter, because all models have hand weapons by default. your request is considered a change in a legal list, and therefor rejected.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Reynald Of Châtillon » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:57 pm

That seems a bit extreme for the poor Irish player, especially given the fact he's been denouncing himself :)

Since this "mistake" is absolutely changing is list (unlike other changes for some other people), I would be enclined to believe he acted in good faith and go with a simple penalty.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby eggsPR » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:50 pm

Reynald Of Châtillon wrote:That seems a bit extreme for the poor Irish player, especially given the fact he's been denouncing himself :)

Since this "mistake" is absolutely changing is list (unlike other changes for some other people), I would be enclined to believe he acted in good faith and go with a simple penalty.



Agreed with the Swiss. I'd have no problem allowing them to take spears, with or without a penalty, and we're playing the Irish round 1 and don't have a problem at all with this.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby orion 76 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:14 pm

A peasant list without spears is like a man without a penis. I too vote let him have the obvious spears and just give them the same penalty as everyone else. Didnt Furion get a penalty for the sky loop reaper option incident?? Well, same here imo.

Also, if he hadnt told us himself NO ONE wouldve picked upon it. Seriously, the list is basically almost useless without spears on those pesants. This is a person who is dedicating very valuable time and resources for this event, and not allowing that basically ruins his list to the point its unplayable... which means a person's holidays will be ruined. Lets try to remember that this is a game.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Corrections

Postby Lagerlof » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:53 am

Skysloops got a penalty for illegal list yes.

This one isn't illegal, that's the problem. If you write nothing, you are equipped with hand weapon, that's the default option. Skysloops have no default option, they had to chose one of two possible options.

If we allow this, why wouldn't we allow people to change other equipment, or magic items with the same cost?

They get parry now, so it's not useless. But I would have guesses that they should have spears, feels like the better option. But changing something like that after seeing all the lists is a no from me, since we didn't allow anyone else to do it.

I wouldn't mind letting them change to spears if enough captains feel that it's ok. But we (ref team) won't allow any changes to legal lists.
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