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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby littlecow » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:29 am

Team Ukraine just submitted the lists.

Believe me or not, my deadline was here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=133900
Who pins previous year topics? Thanks it was only one day difference.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ukrocky » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:30 am

Bazzu wrote:
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Double skull splitter is not an unintentional typo.


So you think they intentionally put 2 skull splitters on the list? Therefore intentionally cheated?


65pts item can change to a lot of things

Can you proof it s an honest mistake?

We were accused that we would have modified lists in 24hrs after seeing none of the available lists.


Fair. I was just wondering if you believed the whole world was against you and everyone else was a cheater. I guess if that's the attitude you're coming to one of the greatest social events I've been to with then we have very different attitudes toward this event...

This has been one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever read on TWF.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby mike newman » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:37 am

bazzu/erenius

You really aren't helping things at all


All illegal list changes should be done through referrees as in previous years. They will decide the size of the penalty

All legal lists will not be allowed to be changed.

Does anyone really have a problem with that?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Furion » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:40 am

Who is our head ref? Let him speak andake the decision.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:44 am

ukrocky wrote:
Bazzu wrote:
ukrocky wrote:
So you think they intentionally put 2 skull splitters on the list? Therefore intentionally cheated?


65pts item can change to a lot of things

Can you proof it s an honest mistake?

We were accused that we would have modified lists in 24hrs after seeing none of the available lists.


Fair. I was just wondering if you believed the whole world was against you and everyone else was a cheater. I guess if that's the attitude you're coming to one of the greatest social events I've been to with then we have very different attitudes toward this event...

This has been one of the most ridiculous threads I've ever read on TWF.


Dude i believe 40% of the ppl that come to the event have an even different attitude then us, from what i heard

Regarding threads you missed a lot of other threads starting from other countries as well.

Regarding the wrld against me, nono it s just we were accused of a lot of things for a 24hr extension, i woke ppl up to give me lists, a couple where at work, others where out and about only to find out that the others have uncomplete lists with mistakes and they had weeks to submit and correct them prior to submiting.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:50 am

littlecow wrote:Team Ukraine just submitted the lists.

Believe me or not, my deadline was here: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=133900
Who pins previous year topics? Thanks it was only one day difference.



Furion, pizzathing and other ppl so in love with deadlines

What will be your approach towards ukraine?

Let s see the doublstandards
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby el rey » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:55 am

Bazzu there is a different in not keeping the deadline and having some mistakes in a list. It is not the same. Not keeping the deadline, means all other counties will have to wait for you, which is not fair. There been mistakes in the list is human nature and can happen to everyone and does not mean people will have to wait for all lists. The errors are correct, with the least changes overall. If there are an error in one of your lists, you will be on the same turns as all others, as you submitted your lists before general release of the lists.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ukrocky » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:55 am

Well Ukraine haven't been vocally insulting people and rude toward volunteers so my vote would be for full leniency and zero penalty :wink:
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:56 am

el rey wrote:Bazzu there is a different in not keeping the deadline and having some mistakes in a list. It is not the same. Not keeping the deadline, means all other counties will have to wait for you, which is not fair. There been mistakes in the list is human nature and can happen to everyone and does not mean people will have to wait for all lists. The errors are correct, with the least changes overall. If there are an error in one of your lists, you will be on the same turns as all others, as you submitted your lists before general release of the lists.



Oki np just show us the consequences on team ukraine
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Zaanash » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:57 am

ukrocky wrote:Well Ukraine haven't been vocally insulting people and rude toward volunteers so my vote would be for full leniency and zero penalty :wink:


My vote would be the same, people get treated with the respect they give to others
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ereius » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:59 am

el rey wrote:Bazzu there is a different in not keeping the deadline and having some mistakes in a list. It is not the same. Not keeping the deadline, means all other counties will have to wait for you, which is not fair. There been mistakes in the list is human nature and can happen to everyone and does not mean people will have to wait for all lists. The errors are correct, with the least changes overall. If there are an error in one of your lists, you will be on the same turns as all others, as you submitted your lists before general release of the lists.



Y one is being late the other is CHEATING, i posted by lists visbily to everyone yesterday, If team Ukraine was late that is an unfair advantage, they get penalties as agreed yesterday
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:01 am

ukrocky wrote:Well Ukraine haven't been vocally insulting people and rude toward volunteers so my vote would be for full leniency and zero penalty :wink:


Just to let you know ereius is also a volunteer.

I have no doubt that that is what is going to happen but knowing ereuis he backfired once he was answered in a rude way
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:04 am

Zaanash wrote:
ukrocky wrote:Well Ukraine haven't been vocally insulting people and rude toward volunteers so my vote would be for full leniency and zero penalty :wink:


My vote would be the same, people get treated with the respect they give to others


So you are officialy stating that decisions here are based on how ppl feel?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Zaanash » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:09 am

I expect people to behave in an adult manner, and not to cry because they got in trouble due to their own failures to keep up to date with the rules for the event in which they are participating (e.g. no other country which apparantly missed the deadline have been raging on the forums).

There are errors in lists every year, and we always resolve them in a friendly manner since nobody wants to ruin peoples vacations (which ETC is for a lot of people). If someone wants to treat all others without respect, then I would assume that they are prepared to receive the same treatment.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Chris Legg » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:12 am

Looking at his signature I played Bazzu in Poland ETC. He made a silly mistake that cost him the game and I wouldn't let him take it back - he threw a similar wobbly then.

Fun memory :)
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:17 am

Chris Legg wrote:Looking at his signature I played Bazzu in Poland ETC. He made a silly mistake that cost him the game and I wouldn't let him take it back - he threw a similar wobbly then.

Fun memory :)



Errmm never played against you.

I played against vampire counts in poland was winning the game until due to dice i lost loads of points. Ended up with your captain giving me a hug as it was real bad luck.

Well i don t remember your name to tell you the truth but don t know whar s similar between that game and this and why is it relevant.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Chris Legg » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:23 am

You did play me- I was the VC player.

You made a stupid move with your chosen death start in T5 that simultaneously took your general / bsb out of range of a critical combat and out of LOS for all of your death snipes. You realised this in the magic phase after the first spell was cast, and then got in a strop when I wouldn't let you start your entire turn again.

The critical combat was between your unit of 8/10 trolls and my 8 Crypt Horrors with two wraiths in, that had rerolls to hit and wound. You lost, ran off the board and panicked your LD 8 Level 4 off the board as well as you hadn't left him in BSB range for the re roll.

But sure..... it was the dice.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:25 am

Zaanash wrote:I expect people to behave in an adult manner, and not to cry because they got in trouble due to their own failures to keep up to date with the rules for the event in which they are participating (e.g. no other country which apparantly missed the deadline have been raging on the forums).

There are errors in lists every year, and we always resolve them in a friendly manner since nobody wants to ruin peoples vacations (which ETC is for a lot of people). If someone wants to treat all others without respect, then I would assume that they are prepared to receive the same treatment.


Raging on due to extra comments receieved

As you can understand we were in panic mode 2hrs so i believe you would expect us to ask for a deadline, no?

While we asked for deadline extension i was calling ppl as it was expected that we find no help/understanding.

We asked for a vote which didn t pass

And now just to enjoy further this moment you are sating to us that it s ok for ukraine. I expect an adult behaviour too and since we were denied others are denied too. Asking politely or not a breach is a breach.

For us it s a holiday too but still you voted against us, which i understand as it was our mistake.

Now we were threatened with penalties ahould we fail to submit on time, pls show us and future deadline breakers what happens in these cases.

It s not nice but as per yest vote it has to be done in an adult way of reasoning things
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby mike newman » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:28 am

If they had behaved like this towards referees/chairmen/other teams at the etc Malta would have picked up a couple of yellow cards at least by now.

@pizzaguardian Can we please lock this thread.

And have all late penalties/list changes(+possible penalties) decided through the referees as per previous years
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:30 am

Chris Legg wrote:You did play me- I was the VC player.

You made a stupid move with your chosen death start in T5 that simultaneously took your general / bsb out of range of a critical combat and out of LOS for all of your death snipes. You realised this in the magic phase after the first spell was cast, and then got in a strop when I wouldn't let you start your entire turn again.

The critical combat was between your unit of 8/10 trolls and my 8 Crypt Horrors with two wraiths in, that had rerolls to hit and wound. You lost, ran off the board and panicked your LD 8 Level 4 off the board as well as you hadn't left him in BSB range for the re roll.

But sure..... it was the dice.


I don t remember if i asked for it or not but s6 trolls with 4attacks each 4 wide vs 6 horrors..... the bus was a unit warriors, chosen too expensive.

But still what s the point?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby pizzaguardian » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:32 am

TO ANYBODY, enough with the bickering.

COUNT IT AS A FINAL WARNING
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:33 am

mike newman wrote:If they had behaved like this towards referees/chairmen/other teams at the etc Malta would have picked up a couple of yellow cards at least by now.

@pizzaguardian Can we please lock this thread.

And have all late penalties/list changes(+possible penalties) decided through the referees as per previous years


Why didn t the ref decide on us too instead of the others interfering? Yourself included.

Y now is the ref called?

Yest u said you want penalties for us and lists hidden, what changed?

A rule is the same for all, no?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:33 am

pizzaguardian wrote:TO ANYBODY, enough with the bickering.

COUNT IT AS A FINAL WARNING


Ok
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby pizzaguardian » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:34 am

That's it, what happens after this is on you.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby mike newman » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:38 am

Bazzu wrote:
mike newman wrote:If they had behaved like this towards referees/chairmen/other teams at the etc Malta would have picked up a couple of yellow cards at least by now.

@pizzaguardian Can we please lock this thread.

And have all late penalties/list changes(+possible penalties) decided through the referees as per previous years


Why didn t the ref decide on us too instead of the others interfering? Yourself included.

Y now is the ref called?

Yest u said you want penalties for us and lists hidden, what changed?

A rule is the same for all, no?


The ref have been asked to decide on the severity of penalties.

Not if one should be applied

Nothing has changed

No one is stating that those with late lists will not receive a penalty

So I believe we are in agreement
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby pizzaguardian » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:44 am

.... , locking thread.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby pizzaguardian » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:12 pm

I AM UNLOCKING THE THREAD, EVERYONE IS HIGHLY ENCOURAGED TO STAY POLITE.

IF YOU WANT YOU CAN COUNT THIS AS A WARNING


I hope everybody has cooled down enough, now back to business.


From what information i can gather Belarus is not attending. So at the moment we have 32 national teams and merc team who is formed but with lists not fully ready. So what is your opinion on this ?

A. Stick by national teams and disband the UN team.

B. Create another UN team so we don't have to disband the other team.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Shino » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:40 pm

There never were 2 un teams. They only were present so there wouldn't be any nonplaying team

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Grayfox » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:03 pm

Agreed. With 32 teams, I see no reason for a UN team
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby spellviewer » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:28 pm

32 teams is perfect. No reason for 2 merc team.
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