2017 ETC T9A List Submission

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ereius » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:25 pm

Bazzu wrote:I hope the effort is appreciated and if there are mistakes or maybe not the proper format an eye is closed. The substance is that.

Typed all the lists cause formats where not in text in less then an hour as we literally missed the deadline (our mistake which we paid for it just now)

Participating in a tournament with penalties makes no sense at all so don t make rush decisions.

Thank god we do not need help in creating lists I thank Poland for the offer but we only take blondes from you. Cheers.

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Ereuis thanks for your support to the community


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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:27 pm

ereius wrote:
Bazzu wrote:I hope the effort is appreciated and if there are mistakes or maybe not the proper format an eye is closed. The substance is that.

Typed all the lists cause formats where not in text in less then an hour as we literally missed the deadline (our mistake which we paid for it just now)

Participating in a tournament with penalties makes no sense at all so don t make rush decisions.

Thank god we do not need help in creating lists I thank Poland for the offer but we only take blondes from you. Cheers.

Rest of the cptns sry for the hassle created

Ereuis thanks for your support to the community


I did take a couple of blonds from Poland... ehh good times hahaha



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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Slatchman » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:34 pm

Lists submitted (on time) for Team Wales :)
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ChiHammer » Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:59 pm

I had to edit my list, I had skull splitter on 2 different characters. I fixed it.

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Jaina » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:01 pm

ChiHammer wrote:I had to edit my list, I had skull splitter on 2 different characters. I fixed it.


Would have looked suspicious... Or over effective :mrgreen:
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby pizzaguardian » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:17 pm

Lists not received from (special thanks and a informal beerfine to hungary for not writing their countries name to their submittion and making me check the whole document)

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Furion » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:02 am

I suggest Team Malta's penalty to be paired with Team Poland in round 1.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:39 am

Furion wrote:I suggest Team Malta's penalty to be paired with Team Poland in round 1.



Sorry furion pairings are random, unlike when it was organised in poland and you got to pick your first opponent.

Wouldn t mind though playing against you, played in the singles vs you guys loool.

You rmember poland right? When you stole thousands of euros from this community
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Furion » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:53 am

Ofcourse I remember. How do you think a poor Pole could afford a computer? :( I would miss on reading Malta's glorious drama.

So you'recoming to ETC or not, I lost count :(
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:02 am

Furion wrote:Ofcourse I remember. How do you think a poor Pole could afford a computer? :( I would miss on reading Malta's glorious drama.

So you'recoming to ETC or not, I lost count :(


you can t count further on then 1?

To your disapontment, it seems, we are coming.

You can ask orga for first pairing with us if you want at least it would also be your second time you chose 1st pairing. Don t know if you really want it though or it was just a bluff to look cool
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Furion » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:06 am

So how to we stand with list corrections? Is it possible to implement a list correction prior to roster publication?

Example:
- minus 1 magic item
+ plus 1 cavalry model

There was a mixup with lists, the change doesnt have great affect on the game, but if a way of correcting illegal builds with no penalties is present, i would like there be a way to correct legal lists in the same manner.

In before: Path of Magic change is a huge change and shouldnt be allowed.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:11 am

Furion wrote:So how to we stand with list corrections? Is it possible to implement a list correction prior to roster publication?

Example:
- minus 1 magic item
+ plus 1 cavalry model

There was a mixup with lists, the change doesnt have great affect on the game, but if a way of correcting illegal builds with no penalties, i would like there be a way to correct legal lists in the same manner.

In before: Path of Magic change is a huge change and shouldnt be allowed.


@Ereius seems like those that had time to prepare did a careless job anyways.

Any suggestions from your end?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby mike newman » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:21 am

With due respect furion I don't think anyone should be allowed to change a legal list after the deadline, especially as lists are already circulating amongst teams.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:28 am

mike newman wrote:With due respect furion I don't think anyone should be allowed to change a legal list after the deadline, especially as lists are already circulating amongst teams.



Cptns already voted not to allow changes

In my opinion even the guy that had 2 skull splitters should n t be allowed to fix the list and instead randomly lose it. In the end you all voted against an extension on deadline so now you should all stick to your stand
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby mike newman » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:33 am

don't be daft. An illegal list needs to be changed.

But changed in the most minimal way possible, not a complete overhaul
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Dim » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:43 am

Modifications should be minimally done, I see no reasons to let anyone modify his list when it is correct.
if we give the right to modify lists to anyone, we may face 200 changes...

Correcting a wrong build should be done in a minimal way as well. No model/item should be added, unless to fulfill a core requirement.
This probably result on unspent point, which is a penalty already.

Missing paths should be selected at random, which is also a form of penalty.

Maybe in case of big mistake, the player prefer to pay a point penalty (say 5-10pts) to change his list more in depth. That should be allowed too, but not for free.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Dim » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:45 am

Bazzu wrote:
mike newman wrote:With due respect furion I don't think anyone should be allowed to change a legal list after the deadline, especially as lists are already circulating amongst teams.



Cptns already voted not to allow changes

In my opinion even the guy that had 2 skull splitters should n t be allowed to fix the list and instead randomly lose it. In the end you all voted against an extension on deadline so now you should all stick to your stand


Please stop trolling the community, its fun but only up to an extent.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:54 am

Dim wrote:
Bazzu wrote:
mike newman wrote:With due respect furion I don't think anyone should be allowed to change a legal list after the deadline, especially as lists are already circulating amongst teams.



Cptns already voted not to allow changes

In my opinion even the guy that had 2 skull splitters should n t be allowed to fix the list and instead randomly lose it. In the end you all voted against an extension on deadline so now you should all stick to your stand


Please stop trolling the community, its fun but only up to an extent.


Wasn t trolling but if your proposal passes we are in I did a mistake with our daemons list since the guy was unreachable in an hour

All those that voted for no extension had weeks to prepare so i expect zero mistakes from their end.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Zaanash » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:57 am

Malta also had weeks to prepare so it was equal for all.

I would suggest that, if possible, we utilize our referee-team as the guys that approve the suggested changes in illegal lists
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:11 am

Zaanash wrote:Malta also had weeks to prepare so it was equal for all.

I would suggest that, if possible, we utilize our referee-team as the guys that approve the suggested changes in illegal lists



Preparing the list and submitting the list are 2 different things.

To submit lists i had 2 hours.

I would suggest you stick to your votes and penalise mistakes.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Razon » Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:25 am

I urge the Chairment not to hand out penalties to countries for mistakes in the army lists.
We are all human, mistakes happen. Copy paste errors or typos happen to all of us. So please no random magic paths, negative points for forgotten letters in unit descriptions. All mistakes can be cleared out in an orderly manner.
Similar goes for list submission. Real life happens, again, let the one who has never had an emergency interfere with his plans throw the first stone...
I really believe 99,9% of such mistakes are 'honest ones' and they should as such be resolved in 'good faith'.

With that out of the way I do hope Chairmen and/ or Refs will look into the ''insulting of the Chairs for doing their work with list submission''. I don't know if the posts in this topic are the whole deal or if there is more. Also, maybe I'm miss reading posts..
Insulting an ETC official for simply doing their job is the exact same case as is insulting a Ref during a game that is doing his job. A possible breach of sportsmanship and a card offence.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby KeyserSoze » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:27 am

Furion wrote:So how to we stand with list corrections? Is it possible to implement a list correction prior to roster publication?

Example:
- minus 1 magic item
+ plus 1 cavalry model

There was a mixup with lists, the change doesnt have great affect on the game, but if a way of correcting illegal builds with no penalties is present, i would like there be a way to correct legal lists in the same manner.

In before: Path of Magic change is a huge change and shouldnt be allowed.


Last year mistakes on lists were sent to refs for discussion. Some mistakes were clearly typos or unintentional, some of them could be.
Refs found the best possible solutions so illegal lists didnt get any advantage.
Each case was extensively discussef and analyzed, ànd never in favour of the wrong list.

I believe we will do our best this year and noone will be left unsatisfied, as long as of course players are a little more careful and dont give anyone a hard time.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby pizzaguardian » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:42 am

I am getting PM's and e-mails about list change requests. I am not going to change the lists on my end.

You can make your case to your fellow captains.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ereius » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:00 am

After the poop you all gave me about RULES and DEADLINES, any change to the lists should be met with VERY VERY SEVERE PENALTIES. Its funny how many hypocritical :^o people there are about. lol first they take the moral highground then the runaround sending PMs to get their lists changed. [-X

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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby tulmir » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:08 am

There is no need to set things on fire anymore. So I suggest you guys to calm down. This thing is getting really ugly here.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Zaanash » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:13 am

Yes please behave as adults, this is just stupid. Failing to reach a deadline is not the same as unintentional typos in lists that have been submitted before the deadline.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:19 am

tulmir wrote:There is no need to set things on fire anymore. So I suggest you guys to calm down. This thing is getting really ugly here.



We would only like that cptns adhere to yesterday s verdict.

Due to meeting deadlines in time (asked only for 24hrs) i have 1 of our lists with wrong number of scoring units.

No double standards you all agreed on penalising us if we submit later than midnight. Keep your word now and penalise mistakes.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:20 am

Zaanash wrote:Yes please behave as adults, this is just stupid. Failing to reach a deadline is not the same as unintentional typos in lists that have been submitted before the deadline.


We submitted before the deadline

Double skull splitter is not an unintentional typo.
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby ukrocky » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:22 am

Double skull splitter is not an unintentional typo.


So you think they intentionally put 2 skull splitters on the list? Therefore intentionally cheated?
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Re: 2017 ETC T9A List Submission

Postby Bazzu » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:25 am

ukrocky wrote:
Double skull splitter is not an unintentional typo.


So you think they intentionally put 2 skull splitters on the list? Therefore intentionally cheated?


65pts item can change to a lot of things

Can you proof it s an honest mistake?

We were accused that we would have modified lists in 24hrs after seeing none of the available lists.
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