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How do you play hills?

Postby Hardrad Hammerhand » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:28 pm

Had an enjoyable game today but found this a bit of a head scratcher. Especially as i'm already used to thinking with KoW - is that a grey area? But then checking the rules and finding it's covered.

Rules say all terrain is one of the 4 types but none seem a natural home for Hills. However, we ended up playing them as difficult terrain as the best fit - with the result that between the hills and the woods 75%+ of the charges in the game were hindered.

Also meant my advancing dwarfs were even slower (10" wide hill!).

On reflection, hills not being terrain as such (unless especially steep = blocking, or scree etc = difficult) and just affecting height/LOS feels more intuitive.

How is it played? Have I just missed the relevant rule somewhere?

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Shyanekh » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:42 pm

Honestly I think it comes down to the hill in question. I'd agree with you that it's probably best to only treat especially steep and/or craggy hills as difficult or blocking terrain. For most hills you're likely to see on a gaming table, the height element alone is enough to justify their inclusion. Better to keep things simple and allow regular movement over them.

I don't think you've missed a rule. The terrain section is pretty sparse and basically requires a quick run through with your opponent before the start of the game.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby MillerXL » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:20 pm

Decorative terrain with height.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Baragash » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:43 am

MillerXL wrote:Decorative terrain with height.


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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Sir Robert » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:11 pm

Usually we just play them as decorative terrain with height.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby blackfang » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:03 am

Huh, I kind of feel hills shouldn't affect movement, but charging uphill should be hindered, except for flyers.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Darklord » Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:04 pm

blackfang wrote:Huh, I kind of feel hills shouldn't affect movement, but charging uphill should be hindered, except for flyers.


We considered that, but decided it was additional complexity that wasn't needed. Could be added for home games as desired of course. :)

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby DiscoKing » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:58 pm

Are people playing Forests with height?

As I went to a tournament recently & all forests were Height 5...
It meant that we couldn't see through the forest (unless a unit was actually in (on) the forest.

I'm gonna suggest difficult terrain & height 0 in the future.
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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Jez [Skewtooth] » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:18 am

At the Clash of Kings over the weekend we played forests as height 4. That seemed fine to me.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Frederique » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:48 am

DiscoKing wrote:Are people playing Forests with height?

As I went to a tournament recently & all forests were Height 5...
It meant that we couldn't see through the forest (unless a unit was actually in (on) the forest.

I'm gonna suggest difficult terrain & height 0 in the future.


Forests should block line of sight, unless to units inside them which can be seen (But have cover ) I believe.
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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby MillerXL » Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:02 pm

Agreed that forests should have height.

It meant that we couldn't see through the forest (unless a unit was actually in (on) the forest.

That is 100% intended.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby DiscoKing » Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:00 pm

It must be my WHFB hangover then! :p
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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby DiscoKing » Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:23 am

Another question regarding the forest / height question, haha...

If a Forest is Height 5, and I pop a war machine in there at deployment...

My war machine is now Height 6 & can see everything on the board, right?
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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Frederique » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:45 am

No.. you dont add the forests height to your own.
You only add Hills height to your own.
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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Nibbles » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:19 pm

It depends on whether the engineers disassembled, and then hoisted up the parts & assembled their war machine on top of a tree or not.

In short; no, they did not, and never will.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby DiscoKing » Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:47 pm

Haha - oh yeah ... Only add for hills.

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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby Gojira » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:34 am

I think if you deploy your warmachine in the top if a tree you can add the heigbt no problem Adam!
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Re: How do you play hills?

Postby DiscoKing » Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:30 am

Gojira wrote:I think if you deploy your warmachine in the top if a tree you can add the heigbt no problem Adam!


The same as my Badger Cav can climb up there too :wink: :wink:
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